Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Earthing & Lyme Hypotheses

By Alix, SpiroChicks Co-Founder

After first posting in November about the health benefits of Earthing, I am astounded that so many in the Lyme community have responded by trying Earthing - the simple act of putting your bare feet on the ground or bringing Earth's electrons indoors with simple grounding devices.

Many Lyme patients have written about how Earthing is affecting them. Reports range from little effect to slightly better sleep to very improved sleep to full-on herxing. Lyme patients might be the only group who need to be careful not to Earth too much at first. Below I describe an evolving set of hypotheses to explain what Lyme patients are experiencing.

Here are the evolving Lyme-Earthing Hypotheses:

Electron Deficiency

Electron deficiency can explain some of the differences in how people respond to Earthing, according to research done by Dr. William Amalu. He used an electrometer to measure the effects of Earthing on people in a specially-designed building in Iowa. Test subjects who were regularly in contact with the Earth, like gardeners, appeared to take in fewer electrons than people who lived in a high rise and did not do things like gardening. Amalu said it appears that people who are highly deficient practically drink up the electrons. This might account for my personal reaction to Earthing being so strong: I was probably highly electron-deficient from total avoidance of going shoeless.

Blood Thinning and Bb Cysts

We've been curious about Lyme, the blood-thinning aspects of Earthing, and the blood-thinner drug contraindication. (Coumadin is a contraindication when regularly Earthing.) Here are four hypotheses about Earthing and Lyme given what we know about blood-thinners:
  1. Prevention of cell-wall deficient forms: "Blood thinners appear to disrupt the formation of spheroblasts [cell-wall deficient form of Borrelia burgdorferi] in the bloodstream, and that could explain the improvement that some patients experience using Heparin." noted Steven Phillips, MD at a 2004 Lyme conference. The cell-wall deficient forms allow Bb to hide from antibiotics, so if they can't form, Lyme can't hide. Since Earthing is a strong blood thinner, does Earthing also prevent Bb from converting to cell-wall deficient forms? Maybe. 
  2. Prevention of Bb from sticking to brain cells: Heparin has the "highest negative charge density of any known biological molecule." The Earth, if you recall, has a negative charge and donates electrons to cells, causing all to be negatively charged and repel each other, like magnets. This is why Earthing thins the blood. Stephen Buhner wrote that Heparin prevents Bb from sticking to brain cells. Is the negative charge the reason? Would Earthing do the same thing? Maybe.
  3. Vascular penetration: Does the blood thinning aspect of Earthing allow our treatments to penetrate deeper into our vascular system than they've been able to go before, reaching colonies previously left untreated? Maybe. 
  4. Higher O2 delivery: Is the thinned blood more oxygenated, delivering a higher, and therefore more toxic dose of oxygen to the Bb and co-infections? Maybe.
Frequencies and My Thoughts on Deer

Tapping into Earth's natural frequency could be another reason Earthing has an effect on Lyme. Why are most deer infected with Bb, yet most seem to be asymptomatic? If they do have symptoms, why don't we have reports of deer going crazy and presenting with swollen joints? Do infected lab animals show Lyme symptoms because they are not Earthed? Is Earthing part of what protects the deer? When I spoke with David Wolfe, he didn't hesitate to say yes. When I asked Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the famous heart surgeon and co-author of the book Earthing, he mentioned Earth frequencies might be toxic to Bb - causing the cyst forms to convert to spirochetes and enter the bloodstream where they are susceptible to antibiotics. As a side note, one person mentioned that deer eat teasel and other herbs--natural antibiotics that are toxic to Lyme, so Earthing might not be the whole story vis a vis the deer.

Nervous System

The effects of Earthing on the nervous system are well-documented and not specific to Lyme, but I do have to mention that since Earthing will normalize cortisol and helps most people sleep better (75% of insomniacs, according to Dr. Amalu), improved sleep will obviously help insomniac Lyme patients. Clint Ober mentioned that in ill patients, after 16 weeks of Earthing the nervous system will normalize. I'm presuming he means patients who have worked up to overnight, every-night Earthing.


Other Effects

Other effects of Earthing include blood sugar regulation and thyroid normalization. Again, these are not Lyme-specific, but normalizing these functions should be a great boon to eventual recovery.

Indoor Earthing: Important Note about Properly Testing Your Outlet

I've found that the voltmeter (about $10 at your hardware store) is the only way to check for a truly grounded outlet. A voltmeter measures the difference between two voltages.

Caution: you can electrocute yourself if you stick one end in the rectangular part of the socket. Don't do that!

To use it, put the black test lead into the third prong of the outlet - the round one. Hold the red end with your bare fingers and read the AC (not the DC) setting. You will have a steady number when you have a truly grounded outlet AND if you are not touching any grounding device. The number will be the difference between your body voltage and that of the Earth via your grounded socket. If you see a fluctuating number, your outlet is not truly grounded and you can't use it for grounding - instead you must use a grounding rod that goes directly to the outside. If you have a steady number, then touch a grounding device while still holding the red test lead. If your voltage drops close to zero, you are grounded and have confirmed your grounded outlet. See my Earthing video Part 2 for a demo.

If you get an Earthing kit with an outlet checker: The outlet checker is not the same as a voltmeter! Follow up with a voltmeter if your outlet checker lights up two orange lights on the right. This indicates your outlets might be truly grounded, but you need a voltmeter to confirm.

Happy Earthing!

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Alix said...

Hi Andy, I'm so happy you checked! Please spread the word so people don't give up on Earthing thinking it's not doing anything. Even though we have grounded outlets at my house, I ran a line from the outside into my window on an upper story of my house. I think it's the best way to avoid dirty electricity - see Gittleman's book, Zapped, for more info on that.

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Linda said...

I've been trying 'poor man's earthing', going outside barefoot and hugging a tree! Not sure if it's helping yet though. I go barefoot almost all the time at home, with my neuro symptoms it's the only way I can feel stable walking around. Shoes make my neuro stuff flare big time. Not sure if it's the connection to the earth that's needed, or if just over-sensitive nerves don't like shoes! I'd soooo like to win one of these earthing kits so I can try the real thing and blog about it!

Lyme Aware BC said...

I have yet to try earthing but have been reading about it and have decided that I think it might be smarter in the long run to use a grounding rod. I have ordered the earthing book and am looking for an inexpensive volt meter. My hubby has a resistance meter but I am not sure this will work.

Thank you for sharing your perspectives on blood thinners, my hubby is on this med. It might explain in part the differences I see between our reactions to lyme treatment.

Anonymous said...

I have been Earthing indoors with a wrist strap for awhile now. I do think Earthing does help me sleep a bit more deeply most nights not that I don't still have insomnia occasionally. I also think Earthing has helped my knee inflammation not that my knee is totally normal yet but in general I like Earthing and will continue to do so because I find it relaxing.

I think people should follow Dr. Cowden's instructions on Earthing and ramp up slowly by only doing a little Earthing to start with and add 30 more minutes per day night or session. He also said if you skip Earthing for bit to go back to starting out with just 15 minutes the first night Earthing again and build back up again from there.

When I first started Earthing I did not ramp up slowly and my practitioner told me I was detoxing too quickly for my immune system to deal with it. I do think Earthing probably helps with inflammation, deeper sleep, relaxation and detoxing.

knotweedbee at yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

Ps. My practitioner who is very good with energy testing did confirm for me that Earthing does assist in getting the Borrelia to come out of cyst form. She energy tested that statement for me.

This is part of what Dr. Cowden had to say about Earthing:

"By the way, if someone grounds to the earth daily (which is the best way in my experience), then goes on a trip for a few days & fails to ground while gone, they can get a huge detox reaction when they return home & ground all night on their first night back. So if the grounding is interupted for more than a day, it is best to start over at 15-30 minutes per day & build up again to 3 hours before sleeping with the grounding again all night long."

knotweedbee at yahoo.com

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Alix said...

Andy, thanks for putting the volt meter to the test! Glad to hear it is already feeling different. Check back in as u progress!!

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Alix said...

Thanks again Andrew - very interesting findings. This will help all of us! Let me know which Earthing kit drawing you want to be entered in - I assume the mat since you have a half sheet already?

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Phoenix said...

I've never heard of "Earthing" before, but I've always enjoyed going barefoot. I'd be very interested in the half-sheet giveaway, but winning either would be great!

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

themadchemist again

Just a point of notice. I have not left my house grounded for 2 years. The Marshall Protocol requires light deprivation. Upon measuring the voltage of my ungrounded body, I expected a measurement close to Alix's of 0.700. I actually measured 7.00A with a drop to .500A with grounding. Was the 0.7 Amps or mA? It seems that my body has quite a buildup of charge. Has anyone seen a lowering of this checked over time?

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

what happened to my last comment

Its as thought my second comment replaced my first

this is now my 3rd

themadchemist

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Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

Try again

First off let me start by saying I'm a 46 year old disabled HS teacher with a MS in Analytical Chemistry. I found the Alix's Earthing video on a torrent site (concen). As a trained electrochemist I have often wondered the effects of EMF on the bioelectric system of the body and its effect on Lyme treatment. To me Earthing makes sense. Thank You Alix for putting the info in the hands of Fate. She brought it to me, another Lyme Warrior.

I ordered my Earthing straps last weekend and yesterday after checking the mail and finding it not there, later that night I sat on the concrete porch in sorrow (and the dark) with my feet bare for 15-20 min (I live in IL). Last night was my best night of sleep in months

Oh, the kit arrived today. Wow- it included the book and outlet tester free. (I purchased the 3 strap set for starters)

As a side note: I have been using the Marshall Protocol for 2 years and 4 months with GREAT success. Its a low dose, pulses antibiotic protocol - http://mpkb.org/

one last curious thought - wonder how grounding a bath with Epsom salt would work as a super-grounding event? (like an ocean swim)

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Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

Hello again

I have went back and read Alix's first post and comments about Earthing. I would like to address some of the questions made in Alix's first Blog

1) Bb exists in 3 forms: spirocete, L form (no cell wall), and cyst

Cysts have been shown to survive 10 years of freezing and/or dehydration, only to pop open and produce viable spirocetes. It is Highly unlikely that Earthing is having a cyst effect.
Also for those Lyme sufferers that are taking bacteriacidal antibiotics (amoxicillin...), you are convertion your spirocetes into a more sinister form, The L-form (see Lida Mattmans text cell wall deficient forms for details). From my experience, few Dr's have heard of L-form bacteria and nearly none can explain the difference between a bacteriacidal and a bacteriastatic antibiotic, and believe me the difference is HUGE for Lymies.


2)The Earthing herx is a congestion issue. Most Lyme patients, unless they are seeing a LLMD (lyme literate)dont understand the profound problems that Lyme causes by using your blood clotting fibrogen to build barriers to prevent blood penetration. You should be having fibrogen levels checked.
I have seen the exact same response you describe by using Nattokinase. Natto is a natural blood thinner which is a by-product of Soy sauce production. NK has caused my neural herx to become bacterial meningitis.
What you are most likely experiencing is increased die-off as well as pockets of debris being released and forcing your liver into detox. All caused by the improved circulation.

3) Rife only kills spirocetial forms of the bacterium. I am building a rife for this purpose.

for more info on the Bb life cycle read: Pfister (2008) Mol Med - The Pathogenesis of Lyme Neuroborreliosis From Infection to Inflammation (pdf)
expect to have a stedmans medical dictionary handy.

Also how does one contribute to spirochicks. I'm looking for a soapbox and I have facts to spread. I have collected over 2 GB of Lyme related journal articles, lecture, power points....
plus I have a MS in analytical chemistry, with the degree specializing in pharma molecular separations. I never worked for Pharma (I couldnt be a whore) so I taught high school. Lyme stole teaching from me, I'm a teacher with no classroom.

That recent IDSA guideline disgrace has me putting on my suit of armour.

Lastly - Lyme has been a gift given to me by my creator. Its has destroyed my ego and created Empathy. I am a stronger person for having live 42 years with this disease in my body. The last 4 years of knowing I have Lyme (CT and possibly the MO stain), Bartonella, staph, 2 kinds of pneumonia, and mycoplasm has been a PAINFULLY evolutionary process.

The gloves are coming off!

Alix said...

Keith, great to have you here! Andrew, keep us updated - fascinating and quick results, huh? I'm short on time for the next few days but will respond more fully later in the week.

Kim said...

Keith, sounds like you've got a ton of interesting information. Have you thought about stating your own blog? Also, you're welcome to submit a guest post to Spirochicks. Email us at spirochicks@gmail.com

Abbey S said...

I would really like to win one of the earthing products. I had Lyme and Bartonella undiagnosed for seven years and have been in treatment for five years. I am still not where I want to be with my health.
At my last appointment with my Lyme doc, he suggested earthing, and I frankly thought he was crazy. After some thought I realized that he has never steered me wrong before so I have been researching it a bit. I still don't know what I think about it, and especially don't know if I think I should buy an earthing product.
We were fortunate enough to have great weather in Maryland today, so I went barefoot outside for about an hour. I am not sure if I feel any different or not.
I would like to try earthing, because I certainly would like to feel better, but don't feel confident enough about it to spend money on it. That is why it would be fabulous to win an earthing product. If I win, I'll let you know what this skeptic thinks.
~Abbey S.

wallace said...

I am on a third floor so using the rod isnt a option for me.

Alix it would be useful if the earthing folks would confirm your ideas about the necessity of getting a voltreading.

The book states clearly that it is preferable to use the rod to ground.
The rest of us are stuck if we cant do that!!!!

I have ordered the wrist bands as the sheet I am still having problems with.

Cheers
Wallace

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Anonymous said...

Just because deer look healthy does not mean they are. Many Lyme patients look healthy too yet are sick. The comments about deer you are making don't make any sense. Sure they are earthing daily but so are many dogs infected with Lyme disease who as their owners will tell you are sick.

Appearances can be mis-leading. Where I live the elk all have some sort of disease yet you would not know it by looking at them.

Alix said...

Wallace,
Good questions. "The Earthing folks" have confirmed the necessity of the voltmeter. I've had direct conversations with Dr. Amalu (he's done Earthing research and is cited in the book). And, he and I tested outlets together last month with both the outlet checker and the voltmeter. The voltmeter is indeed the true test. It will be obvious once you play around with it. :) Oh, and it's possible to Earth on any story - the cord just has to be long enough. A rod and insulated copper wire from the hardware store will work just fine, except they have to be fitted at the end (spliced) with Earthing attachments if you are using any indoor Earthing stuff designed to fit in a standard outlet.

Alix said...

@anonymous re: appearances of deer (& us) being misleading. Agree. That's why this post is all labeled as hypotheses. No one really knows. The data aren't there. I just wonder why I don't see deer or hear reports of deer going crazy more often. Surely seems like they would if they felt like us...

Alix said...

@Andrew,
The effects of Earthing have gone in phases for me. I had one particularly huge reaction in December after switching to beach Earthing while on vacation and beginning a new Tx. Whammo! I felt great on the beach & was jogging a little, but immediately after I left, I had a major headache and knew I had to go to bed. I slept for 16 hours straight! I'm still hitting phases where my body just goes into deep delicious sleep from Earthing. It is so VERY different from the type of "sleep" I've had since getting "all-nighter" insomnia in 2002. It's literally night and day for me. So, net, expect some possible fluctuations -- maybe as new colonies are reached? Again... no one knows yet!

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aquariusgirl said...

so, I am a newbie to this & wondering what is the most practical way to start out.

Straps or bed sheet.

Long term, the bed sheet seems more practical..than tying oneself to an outlet during the day.

But then there's the issue of gradually building up exposure.

I suppose you could just use the sheet for an hour or so a night.
What do people think?

keith smith (themadchemist) said...

2 day check in

Day 1: I wore the earthing waist strap placed over my liver during the day and switched to the foot for night. Didn't sleep well, Restless Body Syndrome (whatever that was) I call em fuzzzy buzzzies. Probably spent about 18 hours grounded.

Day 2: skipped the day grounding mostly. Although I grounded a bit in the evening while on the computer with the wrist strap. Again wore the foot strap to bed.
11:00 to 4:45 were I woke with severe liver pain and some left side tenderness, which I believe may be spleen filtering Lyme.

At this point I would not call this a Herx. Its hasn't increased my pain, but rather is effecting my internal organs which to be screams detox. The discomfort is minimal and Nausea was calmed by eating celery.
I have found celery is a GREAT anti-acid you me. and I use to take Prilosec for years.

Shine On
themadchemist

aquariusgirl said...

Anyone done any price comparisons to see who is the best vendor price -wise?

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keith smith (themadchemist) said...

hello Andy

Silversurfer huh, any realation to the music of satriani?

Stomach huh. Same here. Nausea from stomach to colon. and you tried the internal and exterior grounding rod and the exterior is more effective?

I did notice fluctuation in the internal ground with the voltmeter.

Although I am seeing an effect. Its still hard to say because Herx for me comes in days as a wave. Usually building to a peak at day 3 and finishing by 6-7. Of course this wave phenomenon could be protocol specific for me, as some ABX are taken only once only 10 days (Zpax)

tmc

keith smith (themadchemist) said...

One thing I haven't mentioned and would like to bring up.

We ordered the 3 strap kit for $39.

when the package arrived it included the ground tester and Book, 17 dollars of value we didn't order.
All included FREE.

WOW, as far as shopping around I wouldn't even consider it.

tmc

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Keith (themadchemist) said...

Day 3 and 4 update

Earthing at night only now on the foot location

Day 3: Not sleeping well, mostly due to fuzzy buzzies that feeling of achy buzzy that permeates the whole body, especially the legs and arms. Had to take valium to sleep finally. Woke well rested.

Day 4: I had enough energy to go shopping. Came home with a HUGE biofilm on the top of my left foot directly over the earthing spot.

Whats a biofilm? feels like a thick coating just under the skin. Sometime they form like bubble wrap. Tammy rubs them and they pop with an immediate cytokine flood (ie the spot get HOT really fast, instant inflammation). She calls them crunches. They are always associated with my Herx. I believe it is the bacteria clustering to protect themselves. If Tam rubs out too many I usually get very sick as it takes 30 min to an hour to hit the Liver. Do others of you have this?

Anyway the Pain was severe enough I had to walk on my left heel. I tried rubbing it out but it didnt seem to help. So I placed the foot strap with the metal plate on top of the biofilm for sleep. MAybe it'll make it worse - maybe not.

this morning I woke - no pain.

So it appears the biofilm was an effect of my exercise rather then Earthing and seemed to break up the localized herx/inflammation.
Day 1 I wore the waist strap placed over my liver and it decreased the liver pain.

Also the nausea I experienced on day 2 was both Liver and spleen. I think that the spleen pain may have been due to my Lymph system starting to increase flow.

For me. Earthing appears to cause detox rather then herx. But that could be due to my microbiota (mix of bugs) or my stage of being cured. I am 2.3 years into a protocol that I feel has cleaned me out in most of the vascular regions of my blood. Leaving connective, nervous and adipose tissues to finish.

Themadchemist

wallace said...

I have no way of using the ground rod as I am surrounded by concrete. I need to move!

I will try to sleep with friends so i can test out the ground rod.

Andrew I didnt understand the plumbing reference.

I am unable to get a stable signal with my tester.

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keith (themadchemist) said...

Just a quick observation.

I've noticed since I've started Earthing that my acidic body is becoming alkaline. I haven't tested with pH strips mind you, as my GI tract was created to sense this. Heartburn, acidic stools all have improved dramatically since Earthing started.

themadchemist

keith (themadchemist) said...

Wallace

Most waste water eventually goes to a cast iron pipe that enters the ground. If you can locate one of these you can tie strap a copper wire to it to run in side. of course many knew homes are PVC. another Idea is placing the wire on the concrete and cover it with a towel dampened with salt water. The wet salty towel will ground the wire with the concrete. It may not be the best connection. Adding weigh on the towel like a concrete block could help with current and evaporation. You may need to remoisten the towel.

Just some alternate ideas.

themadchemist

Abbey S. said...

The Mad Chemist,
I never thought about Lyme, etc being in my fat, but I guess it makes sense since it can be in every other tissue in the body. I wonder if I were to lose said fat, would the bugs in that fat go away with it's host?


After my day of going barefoot outside for an hour, that night and the next day my legs (muscles and joints) were very sore, as well as my hips. I have not had leg pain in probably 2 years. I don't know if this means something. I very much need my orthotics, so maybe that is why? Anyhow, it's cold again (very), so I won't be going barefoot again anytime soon.

Really hoping to win the contest!

Abbey S

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wallace said...

Thanks guys for the comments.

The last fews days I have put the iron pole in health houseplant and immediately got the flu plus fever!

Does anyone think this could have some grounding effect? Could one measure that with a voltmetre and a stable current?

This weekend I am staying with friends so will try out the pole the real ground!

Alix, I am thinking of buying "Zapped". Do you recommend it? I presume she says dirty electicity is common.

wallace said...

Another Q; How exactly do you use the voltmetre to show where you should place your ground rod in the ground ,if you dont have a stable electricity current?

I know absolutely nothing about voltmetres!!

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Alix said...

Hey Andrew, I'm here and am as excited about Earthing as you are! I was out of town for the past 10 days doing natural Earthing on the beach and in the ocean! It kicked my butt! I was sleeping so much! I was asleep until 5pm the day after we arrived, except for an hour around lunch when I got up ate and realized I was actually sleepwalking and had to get back to bed! Keep feeling better and better. :-) Oh, and I stayed in 2 hotels. Hotel #1 was grounded - I checked with my voltmeter. Hotel #2 appeared to be grounded per the outlet checker, but after confirming with the voltmeter, I found out it was false ground - the wires aren't attached to a real ground. I think they are just dangling? Anyway, it was a bummer not to be grounded at night for 2 nights. First time I didn't ground all night since end of Sept. At least I had the beach and ocean every day!

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Shannon said...

I am writing on behalf of my mom Shannon who is very ill with Lyme Disease. My mom received a tick bite when she was a teenager and began to show symptoms shortly afterwards. My mom did not treat for Lyme Disease until 2006 when she started a course of high antibiotics. The treatment failed and since then my mom has seen just about every type of doctor out there. She has spent thousands of dollars on various supplements and natural path doctors. This past November my again was bit by a tick. The symptoms have worsened and my mom now no longer is able to get out of the house. She has missed so much of life because of her illness. She was unable to attend her brother's wedding or my college graduation. I hope that we can find an answer soon to help my mom. My mom and I have both read a lot about earthing and feel that there is a chance that she could benefit greatly from the equipment. Please consider our family as a prime candidate for winning the earthing kit.

smwshiloh@yahoo.com

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Abbey S. said...

I am curious because though I have heard that this treatment is beneficial, all of the recent comments are about how awful it makes you feel. When does the feeling better start?

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Abbey S. said...

I just saw the part about blood sugar and thyroid normalization. Are all hormones helped?
I am pretty sure I have adrenal fatigue and I know I have PCOS, and it seems no matter what I do I can't lose weight, so basically, my hormones are whacked out. (In addition to the Lyme, fibromyalgia, sleep apnea, and possible Lyme vaccine issues).
Something that would get my hormones back in where they need to be would be amazing. Am I the only one who has never even really had anything suggested by a doc for my hormone issues? I am on thyroid meds, and my chiro suggested a natural adrenal supplement, but those things are not making the real difference I need!
Abbey S.

Martin Zucker said...

You guys are fabulous. What you are creating here is really a manual on how to use Earthing to benefit Lyme. At some point, and with Alix's help, I plan to round up the information and put it in some coherent form that may be of value to others.
Keith (Themadchemist): Would like to know further if you determine a pH shift toward alkaline. We think that happens, but have no documentation.
Abbey: We know that thyroid function improves with sustained Earthing. In fact, a new study about to come out next month documents that. Some people have had to reduce their thyroid med dosage as a result. Earthing has a totally systemic impact, affecting the body's electrical status, including the electrodynamics of blood and a shift of the nervous system from stress (sympathetic) to a calmer functioning (parasympathetic) like medication, tai chi, yoga, etc. And, of course, there is a wholesale reduction in inflammation and, as a result, pain. And better sleep. All these effects impact the body in so many ways. People start Earthing to see if it helps with their problems (X, Y and Z) and they find it also helps with A,B, and C.
When you stop to think about it, Mother Earth has given us a HUGE healing tool and it's right at our feet. Thanks to Clint Ober's ingenuity, you can now bring Mother Earth inside with you and benefit while you work, relax, and sleep.
We have known that Earthing puts the body's detox mechanism into gear, and for many of you, that can be the cause of discomfort that I can only imagine. People other than Lyme patients have reported this Herxheimer Effect, or healing crisis as it is alternatively called. Our suggestion is that people with a big toxic burden should go slow with Earthing in the beginning. I see some good references to that on this blog. Maybe in the course of time, and with all your help, we can figure out some general guidelines for Earthing use for Lyme that will maximize the benefits and minimize the discomfort. My hats off to all of you for being smart advocates for your own health. Given the general state of contemporary conventional medicine, you often have to be a do-it-yourselfer.
Martin Zucker, co-author of the Earthing book

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Alix said...

Andrew,
That deep rejuvenating sleep is EXACTLY the phase I've moved into. It is totally different that "Lyme sleep" - that fractionated sleep where you are always aware of your surroundings and that you are NOT asleep! Someone described it as "delicious!" Isn't it!!?

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Alix said...

Ewww. Charlie Sheen - I don't think he gets much sleep of the sleepy kind, just the "sleeping with" kind.

Hope you do well tonight!

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Abbey S. said...

Regarding sleep, it sounds like the earthing advocates say it helps your cortisol and circadian rhythm. That would be great, since I can't ever seem to sleep a "normal" schedule.

Keith (themadchemist) said...

hello Earthers
My 3 week checkin

After Earthing for 3 weeks with the foot strap, alternating feet every other night or placing it on the more sore of the two. I Earth for at less 8 hours per night.

Figure 3 weeks gives me enough to tell if anything is changing. As Alix stated it may take months the equilibrate.

My body tells me:
1) I'm more alkaline
2) sleep pattern hasnt changed, still have insomnia. but when I sleep I sleep deeper and wake rested. since earthing I have been able to start painting. a chore I couldnt do 3 weeks ago.
3) better apetite. less Nausea.
4) feeling of well being, after 3 weeks its not placebo, I rarely think about it until I place my strap on at night.
5)I've noticed an increased darkening in my urine which tells me this is helping detox and on top of that I feel cleaner inside.
6) my blood sugar has dropped 40 points. interesting effect.
7) My eyes seem to have worsent but I have always had floaters horribly.
8) As far as Herx, I have woke twice feeling bad and removed the band, but I cant say that its caused any herx in me. I am 2 years into a protocol so I'm clean to a depth.
9) sound sensitivity is down. I can Jam out again.
10) this I should not list. but the site is for fun and we all understand lyme here I hope. The sleeping better and deeper part.
1 and 1/2 week into earthing I woke to find that for the first time ever, at least in my memory, I had wet the bed (there I said it). I almost quit earthing but with everything else I've endured why stop now.

themadchemist

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Abbey S said...

The Mad Chemist,

Very interested about the blood sugar decrease. Intriguing. How did you test this? Any subsequent weight changes?

Becoming more convinced that earthing may be a good thing to try, especially since my LLMD is telling me to do it, but lack the funds to buy a device, and the warmth to do it outdoors.

Abbey S.

Keith (themadchemist) said...

I test my fasting blood sugar in the morning with a glucose meter. Since December it went from normal into the the 300's. Really bad Herx cycle.

I randomly check weekly thats how I discovered it. My A1C from the doctor was 9.1. so its been up a while. yesterdays was 220 from running around 260 for weeks.
I have also dropped 7-8 pounds, forgot that.

Again my effects seem to be more detox then Herx.

Abbey S, if its any consulation you have my vote for the earthing give away.

Keith - tmc

Alix said...

Sorry I haven't been commenting... I had major surgery (non elective) on Tuesday. I am Earthing to recover and have switched to sleeping on (but not in) the Recovery Sack.

Keith, your blood sugar findings are consistent with rat studies that have been done with Earthing. Clint Ober told me that Earthing normalizes blood sugar - it doesn't suppress it, it just regulates it. How interesting to think a missing link in diabetes could be Earthing!

Spirochicks are still deciding how to handle the contest. I wanted to send the winners their items before my surgery, but that became unrealistic.

We had an earlier contest to send out basic Earthing strap kits to people, so this was supposed to be a contest for those who had been trying Earthing for a bit and wanted to try a new way to Earth or for people who had begun Earthing directly with the ground.

The intent, per my conversation with Clint Ober, was to have a place (and motivation) for people to post their stories about Earthing and Lyme to form the start of an Earthing/Lyme database, possibly for a chapter in a future printing of the Earthing book.

So, most likely we will draw winners from those who did this by the deadline, or extend the contest for a bit so everyone has a chance to do this.

In health,
Alix

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Don't you think that the earthing products would be of more benefit to someone who does not already have any?

Alix said...

@anonymous - we already did that giveaway. Ppl w lyme can still earth outside, even in winter w leather boots. We were looking for Earthing & Lyme stories here, as i wrote in the article. :)

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Abbey S. said...

Keith,
Interesting stuff. Do you think you are eating less or being more active, or do you think hormone regulation is what is causing the weight loss. Maybe all 3?

I saw on youtube a seminar about earthing a month or so ago in the course of my research, and the guy said you are grounded when you shower, so I have been extending my showers since then. I can't tell that it is making any difference for me, but I am only adding 5 to 10 minutes to my normal time (which isn't terribly quick, because Lyme makes me ssssllllloooowww). Anyhow, I definitely do my best thinking in the shower, that's for sure.

Thanks for your vote, @Keith.

keith (themadchemist) said...

Hello all,

to Alix, hope you are recovering well. Surgery can really aggravate Bb. My last hernia surgery put me out of work because the hospital did not follow my ABX instructions.

to Abbey S, as with everything about Bb, its a little of everything. More active because I felt better. My next paragraph will explain more. And yes while showering you are grounded (quite well actually). If you have a metal tub that's connected to a metal drain pipe then a Bath is grounded.

I'm a couple of days early for the 1 month date but there are a few developments
1) the day after my last post I started to herx mildly. I had eaten some pineapple which acts as an ABX in me (mangosteen also), so I first suspected that. It continues through even now.
2) with the herx my bloodsugar has risen. personally I think I have them cornered in the nonvascular tissue and they are deregulating my sugar cycle to feed.
3)I have been sleeping shorter periods and waking earlier feeling as though I cant sleep anymore. Less tired during the day even with the herx. sleeping 8 rather then 12 hours.
4) urine has lightened as herx started. This tells me that the detox was finishing and now earthing my be causing the herx
5)herx has been more related to non vascular regions, joints, spine, neural with both light and sound sensitivity as well as some headache, eye and sinus pain
6)increase dyslexia (sorry for my typing)
7)acidic GI is still stable, this usually flares with herx, maybe due to better detox

well thought this was interesting enough to post early

-tmc

PS: abbey go to a hardware store and buy a solid core 12 gauge wire.
strip about a foot of the plastic and stick it in the ground a foot or so. run it through a window in the bathroom and strip the other end a few inches. stick that end in the Tub. Even in a fiberglass tub this will work. Also add a couple cups of epsom salt and baking soda. they will help conduct electrons and also helps to alkalize your body while also causing absorption of Mg which will help with your pain.

Abbey S said...

@Keith,
Interesting suggestion, I may try that. What fascinates me most about your post is the statement about magnesium. At one point I was recommended to take magnesium (don't remember why, maybe fatigue?) and after about 2 weeks it started giving me horrid headaches ever day. Are you saying that magnesium contributes to pain in general? I have never heard that before, so I am very curious.
I am also intrigued by your statement about sleep. You need less sleep even while herxing?!? That is totally amazing!
Abbey

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Hello Abbey S and all

One thing that you will find in almost all chronic Bb cases is low Mg and B12 levels.

Mg is easily absorbed by the skin, so a soak in Epsom (MgS04) is a great way to get Mg into the body.

Mg helps relax muscles and for nerve pain, a major mechanism of pain is the excessive stimulation of a brain chemical called "NMDA." The few medications that help decrease and balance this pain-carrying neurotransmitter have the downside of causing significant side effects. Magnesium seems to settle down NMDA without the toxicity.

The question is what Mg supplement?
Mg citrate and Mg Hydroxide (milk of mag) are used as laxatives, so overdoing the Mg supplement can have effects on your GI tract. If you take a supplement it is best to use a chelated form of Mg. This is one that is bound in an organic matrix and this helps absorption in the gut. Chromium picolinate is a chelated form of chromium.

The reason I like Epsom is it bypasses the GI all together by soaking directly into the skin. Plus my GI tract has been pounded so I prefer the skin route of entry.

the tiredness seem to be a regulation of the adrenal system. I'm less exhausted during the day. I also seem to wake faster and more alert. remember this is just a mild herxing at the moment. and seems to be effecting deeper parts of my body. I am also sleeping DEEPER, but that didnt happen for 3 weeks. The better sleep seemed to coincide with a feeling of inner cleanness (detox?). Try to explain that to a non-LLMD, HA!

My explanation is that killing Bb is like stripping paint, you do it from the outside to the inside. After 1 year and 5 months on the Marshall Protocol I believe almost all of the vascular regions of my body are mostly clean. Like the poor tsunami victims, we have run them to the hills. The places were blood is less concentrated and there for less White blood cells are present (joints and nerves).

Of course these are my personal ideas based on living in this body. The best advise anyone can give is try and see what works for you. everyone is different. Like that perfume that use to advertise "smells different on everyone, due to your personal body chemistry" Bb is kinda like that. Personal chemistry and your mix of coinfections make your case different from others. My Bartonella coinfection makes Bb much more Neural.

Hope this helps.

tmc(spirotech)

Abbey S. said...

Thanks, Keith. Don't know what to make of what you are saying about magnesium, since supplementation has in the past on several attempts caused daily headaches. I will look into that more. I know an epsom salt bath always feels good, but I thought that was due to detox and decreased inflammation.

You know, all this time, I knew people meant Lyme when they said Bb, but I never knew why. Just figured it out. Anyhow, I don't have Bb, I have Ba and Bg (Afzali and Garnii) (2 types of Lyme, I'm so special), plus the Bartonella, so I know what you mean about that. If your Bartonella is causing alot of brain symptoms (Bartonella brain fog and anxiety were mine), I highly recommend neurofeedback. It has really changed my life.


Now, back to earthing. I tried outside today, for about 15 minutes standing still, but, as usual, standing that long made my feet really hurt. Also, seems my mom put down crabgrass killer which seems like it can't be too good to be in contact with. I was wondering if our patio would work for earthing - it is a 6 inch layer of gravel, then sand, then concrete paving stones.

Can't do too much outside earthing, I just don't have the time. I can't take my work outside either, because I can't do anything without my computer (not a laptop).

keith (themadchemist) said...

Hello Abbey and all

If the Epsom salt baths don't give you the headaches, my thought is that the Mg isn't what is causing the headache. Unless the Mg supplement gives you diarrhea and causes dehydration.

You will probably absorb more Mg in a 1 hour bath then in daily supplimentation.

Also realize that sometime when something helps you it may also makes you hurt. What I mean is that taking Mg could increase your immune performance, which increases your Herx.

here is a random google on chelated Mg to show you what I'm talking about. Talk with your Dr about this, as you should with all medicine changes Pharma or supplements alike.

http://www.vitabase.com/supplements/vitamins-minerals/minerals/magnesium.aspx

personally I dont take chelated Mg I use Epsom for Mg.

Your 2 types of Borrealis (Ba and Bg (Afzali and Garnii)) would indicate your in the EU. Those strains are common in the EU as Bb is in the US.

I also believe I have 2 strains the CT Lyme (Bb)and the Missouri Stari Lyme (Bs), as well as bartonella, micoplasma, 2 pneumonias (1 is lung, 1 is sinus)....

and to Earth outside, sit in a lawn chair and just put your bare feet on a concrete paving stone, no need to stand. Take and book and relax. I'd stay away from the crabgrass killer and any other unknown chemicals

One last thing I'd mention. I read a study back about 3 - 6 months ago. It seems that in 1/3 of Lyme cases that patients spend time in a suicidal mindset and 1/6 in homicidal mindset. If this is you (and I'm talking to everyone here) IT IS NOT YOU. I'm part of the unlucky 1/3 and 1/6. If your thinking suicide it could be a symptom not a desperate act. Talk with someone PLEASE, and antidepressants are not the answer.


tmc (spirotech)

Abbey S. said...

Keith,
Thanks for the tip about the patio. And I actually am in the US, I just got infected in Germany.
Regarding your last paragraph, there is a psychiatrist in NJ named Dr. Bransfield who specializing in treating Lyme patients. He will do so remotely. I also think that neurofeedback could help with that because I know it can help depression.

Alix,
How are you feeling after your surgery?

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hey Andrew

I understand, I wasn't use to them either. The homicidal thoughts are the worst. They scare me the worst. When I read the article it was almost relieved, to know I wasn't losing my mind.

One sad note made in the article was the fact that Lyme suicide differed. Most suicide was a cry for help. Lymies are almost always successful. Thats a reason to find a support and talk to them about it. Someone that you can contact when in that state.

It typically happens to me when I'm Very neural. I have had bacterial meningitis 3 time, once confirmed with spinal tap. The homicidal thoughts seem to come after the suicidal in the progression. Its Lyme RAGE at its worst. I lose all respect for life and want to lash out

I have destroyed 2 doors in the house. One with my cane and the other by putting my head through the door. I then wake up and its like I was someone else.

Tammy and I have learned to control this beast. It scares us both.

Oh, BTW I saw my new GP yesterday and she's as great this time as last. I think I finally (after 45 trys) have found a local Dr to work with my LLMD. I took the Earthing Book and a CDrom of Alix's earthing video's. The cortisol and red blood cell photos blew here away, along with me losing 8 pounds from last visit.

Is it me or are female Dr's more open minded?

tmc (spirotech)

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Anonymous said...

When do you think you will make your decision for the contest?

Alix said...

I'm sorry not to be in touch here. I had major surgery a couple weeks ago and it was a much, much bigger deal than I expected. I only yesterday regained regular access to my laptop. We welcome further stories from people with Lyme who have tried Earthing. Multiple updates are great (thank you especially Andrew, SpriroTech Keith, and Abbey S!!!). Just to be clear - and fair -- each person counts as one entry. There will be a (big) delay in closing out the drawing due to the fact that I'm still bed bound and can't even mail the prizes till I'm out of bed. Sorry for the delay. Again I had no idea my surgery would be this overwhelming.

Lyme is real said...

Alix,

Do take care! Sending healing wishes your way!!!

Kim

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Jeannene Christie said...

I'd love to enter the give-away for the Earthing bed sheet and share my response. I got Lyme in 2007. Before that I spent loads of time in nature. Now, with such low energy it is harder to get out, but when I do, I certainly feel the healing especially from standing on rocks in rivers.

Abbey S. said...

Alix,
I am so sorry your surgery is taking such a toll on you. Does this mean that earthing is not helping for it, or would it have been even worse without it? My Lyme doc told me that surgery can be a huge stressor and can even bring someone out of remission if they don't take the proper precautions before and after.

I tried to earth outside yesterday, but had to avoid the grass because of the herbicide my mom used (30 and living with my parents because of Lyme, etc. and subsequent lack of money). Anyhow, I put a towel on the sidewalk in front of the house with my knees bent so that the bottoms of my feet could be on the ground. I then fell asleep, despite how uncomfortable I was. I really still can't tell for sure any specific results, except it seems to me that my breathing feels subtly different. When I put my hand on the ground in the garden (no chemicals there, that I know of) my breathing felt even more "different." Another unusual thing that happened is that when I tried to get up, it felt like my back was glued to the ground.
Today it is raining and cold, and I have tons to do on the computer, so I won't be doing it again.
It would be great to be able to earth indoors, at my computer where I spend a ton of time, or in bed. I definitely see the value in being able to try it that way.

Keith (themadchemist) said...

Hello Alix and all

Alix, best wishes with your recovery.
I had my 8th hernia surgery in 2009 and the IV antibiotics given during the surgery put me on disablity. I never have been able to work since that surgery.
I hope that the surgery ABX hasn't also effected you in this way. It seems surgery really causes havoc in us Lymies. I believe my problem stemmed from the protocol I was following and the surgeons unwillingness to listen to me or contact my LLMD.

On an Earthing Note:
starting last week, I started having left side pain under the ribs. It appears to be close to the spline area, so I'm wondering if the Earthing is causing a Lymph drainage which is leading to Spline pain, as the spline acts as a lymph filter.

I've also had to start Janumet as my blood sugar doesn't seem to be leveling as it usually does. This is causing a lot of the GI distress that Earthing seemed to have corrected. I guess its a waiting game while I wait for hormonal balance again. Come on Homeostasis. Hopefully the Earthing will help in speeding this process along a bit.


tmc (spirotech)

marcie said...

I would love to be entered in the earthing give away. I have been diagnosed for one year, but been sick at least 10 years. Am treating my lyme with a naturopath using herbals and avoiding antibiotics. I have many symptoms, but my absolute worst are GI stuff. Horrible pain and multiple food allergies. Basically on just metagenics ultrainflammx now.

Anyway, I've been earthing with the foot strap about a week and really herxing. Lots of aches, fatigue and headache. Anyone else having severe muscle aches in the torso? (back and ribs, belly, etc). Perhaps I am just pushing too fast. (I tend to do that)

Alix, I hope you are feeling better from your surgery. I think it just takes us all a bit longer to recover from anything, and I hope that is just the case with you.

Thank you all for your comments on earthing, and lyme.

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Keith (themadchemist) said...

Looks like from my original post date, I'm at about 6 1/2 weeks in.
Earthing Nightly 8 to 11 hours on the foot.

Few knew and interesting happenings.
1) My MD put me on Janumet for the high blood sugar, which caused a heck of an imbalance. Lots of GI stuff, stopped after 3 days.
2)missed one night of earthing in this cycle and woke with severe heartburn. Put on the strap and within 1 Hr the Heartburn was gone. I have noticed that even with the GI distress that earthing kept the heartburn at bay.
3)the Herx was really hard to discern from the Janumet disruption, but I developed biofilms in the ribs, my guess is this was due to my painting. To describe: it is like bubble wrap laying between the ribs, very sore. If you run your fingers over it, it feels bumpy. If you push hard they breakup and the area get very hot. Anyway it seemed to go away in a few days, usually lasts much longer or must be rubbed out.
4) I've Had all kinds of skin break-outs but this one's strange.
Dry Scaly skin. Big patches in places and small scale-like spots at various places. The small ones pop off in one piece and are about the size and thickness of a fish scale. the skin under is raw. I think we are running them to the surface, there is a big patch on my left Knee (the one that aches like heck)
5)The spleen (I believe I spelled it wrong in the last post, lyme fog) has eased up, and Im still feeling cleaner inside.
6)Both my wife and I caught a head and chest cold last week. I got it after her, and recovered before her. Earthing seems to help the body detox and function more at homeostatis.

Alix, hope your recovering well.

Earth On

tmc (spirotech)

Alix said...

Hi Everyone,
I'm pulling the names together now for the drawing! Will notify winners here and by email & give winners a week to reply. If no reply for some reason, I will draw someone else.

Feeling much better... FINALLY... but still have a ways to go.

Alix said...

Earthing Winners: Knotweed Bee and Abbey S!! Congratulations to you both!! First one to email us at spirochicks at gmail dot com with which prize you'd like (mat or half-sheet) gets first pick. Second person to contact us gets the other item. If Winner does not contact Spirochicks within one week, another winner will be selected from other entrants. Happy Earthing everyone!!

(Methodology: Old fashioned hat draw with closed eyes, drawn from names written on slips of paper.)

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Abbey S. said...

YAY!

I just sent you an email, Alix, but my eyes aren't working too well, so if you don't get it let me know.
I am so pleased and excited to win and can't wait to start using the sheet (or mat, if Bee emailed you first).

So Andrew, the rod makes a difference over the house outlet ground?

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Keith (themadchemist) said...

Congrats Abbey S. and knotweeds bee glad to see you get setup. Earth On.

To Alix, I remember you mentioning somewhere that the Earthing Authors were looking for Lyme patients that earth for a possible second Ed. I'd be interested in helping, if needed for that.

Glad to hear your around again!
It always good to feel better.

I'm over my cold and feeling Great.
At this point no herx to speak of, and sleep continues to improve. Body seems more alkaline.

Also Andy, I guess I need to get a outside ground hooked up. Figured Id make one with a 3 ft copper rod.
So far I've used the plug in ground.

tmc (spirotech)

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marcie said...

Do any of you own the mat and the bedsheet or halfsheet? I am deciding on what to order next (after the strap) and started wondering if the mat is more powerful, given that is a continuous surface and the sheet has woven fibers, seemingly less dense. It seems like the mat would be more concentrated. I was thinking of using the mat in bed, at my feet. Thoughts?
thanks,
marcie

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marcie said...

Andrew,
Thanks so much. I actually called the company about this and the guy that answered the phone just recommended the full sheet above all else. He seems to feel that is the best product. He wouldn't really elaborate on my density question. The full sheet is a bit expensive, so I think I am deciding between the mat and the half sheet. As I think about it more, my only concern is that I may move around a bit in bed and take my feet off of the mat more than I would like. Who sleeps in just one position all night? Especially when we don't sleep so well to begin with. It seems like you guys are getting good results with the half sheet, so I'll probably go that route.

Thanks for letting me think out loud. And thanks for all the ideas on earthing. I would have not thought to ground outside for better results without reading all of your posts!
marcie

Alix said...

@Marcie - I have both. I found that the mat is too small to guarantee that my feet will actually be on it all night. It does have a fabric cover with silver conductive threads that pick up the electrons from the rubber/carbon mat underneath. I have had headache problems so I sleep with the mat on my pillow. I'm still foggy from my surgery but one of the Earthing authors (can't recall which one) told me that to get the most benefits, even if sleeping in the recovery sack, it was important to always have the band placed at your K1 (ball of foot between 1st & 2nd toe). From that info, I'd say the two most important Earthing products are the band and the mat. You can sleep with the band and the mat (placed under your back or head?), and move the mat to your desk in the daytime to protect from EMFs while at your computer. One note about sleeping with the mat on your pillow. Hair, unless wet, is not conductive, per my tests with the connection tester. So if you put the mat on your pillow, you have to have it touching your cheek while side sleeping, or the back of your neck while on your back.

marcie said...

Alix,
Thank you for all the helpful information! I hope you are starting to feel a bit better from your surgery.

Marcie

Anonymous said...

Hi! I've had the earthing mat for about 6 weeks now. I'm not using it religiously-so not notices a big difference. In addition to the fibro and neuro lyme MS type symptoms I also have MCS. Does the earthing company have an organic cotton earthing sheet in the works? I'm hesitant since I sleep on an organic bed/sheets right now and would prefer not to introduce inorganic products in my sleep environment. The sleep mat was pretty smelly when I first purchase it so no way would I bring that to bed with me!

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Alix said...

Andrew - that's amazing, isn't it? We really have to keep up with Earthing to keep the electron reserves up. I learned a TON from Dr. Oschman's lecture on Earthing this past weekend from the Wolfe conference while watching the Live Stream. Will share soon. It's fascinating science to explain what is going on at the cellular level when people are Earthing.

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marcie said...

Andrew,
Thanks for the info on using an outlet versus grounding outside. I have still only been using an outlet and the strap plus earthing outside when weather allows,(have my new stuff on order), and am looking forward to trying the outside rod.
Alix, please keep us posted on the new information. Did you learn anything about bilirubin? I have heard this also changes with earthing.
thanks,
marcie

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Alix said...

Hi all,
Abbey's Earthing half sheet should arrive any minute at her home, but I still haven't heard back from the other winner, knotweedbee, after emailing him/her. In the email to knotweedbee I said that if I didn't hear back by Friday, we'd have to draw another winner... so stay tuned. There may or may not be a new Earthing mat winner. Come on, Knotweedbee, let's hear from you!

Alix said...

One more note: I learned a TON more about Earthing science from Dr. Oschman's talk at the Wolfe conference over the weekend. (Not that I could go... had to cancel trip at last minute due to Lyme symptoms.... you all know how that goes.) Anyway, I'll be writing up what I learned & sharing it here soon. Also, the Earthing sandals will be released soon! They are made of the same carbonized rubber the Earthing mat is made out of. I cannot wait to get a pair!! Finally, the Earthing mattress will also be available very soon, however, I'm not clear on the benefits if you already have an Earthing fitted sheet. Love the new products!

Abbey S. said...

I am pleased to report that I got my sheet a couple days ago, and used it the last 2 nights. My LLMD had told me to start out slow, but I decided just to go for it and used it all night both nights (about 10 hours each).

It is an interesting experience. At first I felt like I just wanted it off of me. The best I can describe it is like a good but painful stretch, that you know is good, and kinda-sorta feels good, but you just wanna stop.

Anyhow, I stuck with it and fell asleep after a while. I slept very well, but it was rather hard to get up (moreso than usual). The next day I had this strange headache, that felt very deep inside.

I am really hoping for some symptom relief for my stomach. Trigger points, muscle pain and irritated facia are causing alot of pain that feels gastroenterological. Many, many, many doctor visits discovered that it was FMS & Lyme and that my digestive system is fine. I was on Lyrica for about 2 months, but it gave me insomnia and made me a bit dizzy and brain-foggy, so I stopped it about a week ago, and after a day or two the symptoms were right back.

Anyhow, with the sheet, I am not tucking it under, but rather wrapping it around my middle. I am hoping that by maxing out on time and getting it right against where the worst pain is (stomach, back, hip) that I will see improvement more quickly.

Thanks, Alix, for having this contest. I am so pleased to have won. I was also very pleasantly surprised to see all that was included - in addition to the sheet, rod, tester, and book, there was also a second type of tester and a splitter. I will keep using it and let you all know how it's going.

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Abbey S said...

Thanks Andrew.

I am wondering if anyone has had any emotional effects from earthing?

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marcie said...

Alix, I am pumped about the sandals too, and can't wait to hear more about earthing.

Andrew, thanks for the advice about setting up the ground rod. I live in the northwest where it rains about 8 or 9 months out of the year, so at least I won't have to worry too much about keeping the ground damp! I have been playing around with my new voltmeter today. Physics and lyme brain don't mesh too well together!

Wanted to let you guys know that I have been earthing about 3 weeks now and have noticed that I sweat faster and better in the sauna. It usually takes me forever to get warm enough to break a sweat. It is really cool to see the blood thinning effects so clearly.

Abbey,
I think I had an emotional response when I first started. I think some others have talked about this also. I try to remind myself that it is all likely part of the detox, although it can be rough when you are "in" it.

take care all,
marcie

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Alix said...

Andrew, you might be right about that. I was realizing over the last week that I might not have the correct info on where the K1 spot is. Just pulled up this video and the spot appears to be in the little depression below the ball of the foot. Is this what you found: http://www.acufinder.com/Acupuncture+Points/Kidney+01+%28KI+1%29/200

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marcie said...

Guys,
I am so glad you mentioned this. I too have found that the strap often gravitates to that spot in the night and I definately feel some warmth there when the metal part touches it. I have actually been having a difficult time keeping it up on the ball of my foot, if it is too loose, it does not seem to contact skin good, and if it is too tight, my foot looses circulation. I already have bad blood supply to the feet (ice cold toes all the time) so I am so glad to hear the lower spot is better anyway.
thanks!
marcie

Alix said...

I finally heard back from knotweedbee in the knick of time, so the second Earthing prize is spoken for. Thanks so much everyone for your participation, this amazing and ongoing discussion, and for the fantastic info we have all shared with each other about Earthing. As I mentioned, I'll be posting another article soon with all I learned about Earthing at the Wolfe conference.

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Abbey S. said...

Hey Andrew.
I took a the night after I wrote before and only did half an hour or so. I think my body needed the break. That day after I felt pretty bad, and yet with a feeling of physical relief, from the lesser intensity, I think.

I have done 2 more nights of full-on since then. Yesterday I felt pretty good. Today I could not get out of bed. I felt a bit like I'd been hit by a truck, but to a much lesser extent than the hit-by-a-truck I used to feel all the time before starting treatment and during the first 3 years of treatment. Despite the truck feeling, I felt like I got a really restful sleep. But I still couldn't get up, even though I really wanted to so I could go to the cherry blossom kite festival. I ended up sleeping 12 hours. The last hour or 2 I changed the location of the sheet. It had been wrapped around my middle, I put it under my whole body and then wrapped up on top of my feet. That felt less intense, so I was finally able to get up. Now I feel pretty decent.

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marcie said...

Andrew,
Very interesting. Keep us posted. I am now thinking of moving my halfsheet around a bit too.
Marcie

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Have any of you ladies had earthing mess with your cycle?

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

2 month check in.

I have now been Earthing with a foot strap for 8-11 hours daily, while sleeping.

The last month has been a Pain. Starting on the blood sugar med's has caused such a hormonal imbalance that earthing effects are hard to read.

I still dont feel that the Earthing is causing a large amount of Herx. For me it seems to be aiding in detox, This again I believe to be due to the penetration of kill I have achieved with the Marshall Protocol.

Signs of Detox
1) darkening of urine
2) skin rashes and dry patches
3) feeling cleaner

The ONE MAIN POINT I would say about Earthing after a 2 month period is that is helps the Body achieve HOMEOSTASIS. For me this is most dramatically displayed in the increase in alkalinity of my body. This is most noticeable in the amount of GI Distress, both heartburn (GERD) and acidic stools.

I think that the effects of Earthing are very individually dependent and that it is especially related to YOUR Personal stage of wellness/infection.
Whichever the case, Earthing WORKS!

As with any Lyme treatment, intuition is key. Learning how to read your body and not letting others tell you what you feel is the Biggest step to recovery.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

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Interesting stuff, spirotech! I was noticing better urine alkalinity early on, but ran out of strips. Will test again soon! I've been Earthing overnight for more than 6 months & things seem stable. Was doing great before my surgery ( not perfect but sleeping deeply for most nites). I would still have really long deep sleeps at least once a week. Very healing & never had them pre Earthing. Now I'm all screwed up from my surgery still (5 weeks ago) & don't have as good a sleep baseline since I can't detox fast enough. I think before surgery, I'd finally reached a stage of steady, manageable detox. Finally, I wanted to mention that adding a beach walk in the ocean will still kick my butt since I can't do that regularly. Mainly it brings the deep sleep that night, but post surgery, it's a crap shoot.

Marcie said...

hey guys,
That all seems to be what I am experiencing too, the overall feeling of increase in detox. I have been earthing about a month now and still not sleeping too well. I sleep for a bit, then always wake up in the night about 2 or so My gut will swell and ache (I have big gi issues). Then I have a difficult time going back to sleep. Taking lots of binders, hoping this will help soon.


I don't seem to get the body aches anymore that I did when I first started, but wake up with that hung over feeling.

My cycle is a bit messed up too.

But, overall I do feel like this is all moving forward. I see my dr today, and she does ART, so it will be interesting to see if she notices anything significant.

Will keep you guys posted.

marcie

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

To Alix, and all

I dont know if I've told this or not but Nov of 2009 I had my 8th Hernia surgery. Seems Bb likes to use collagen building blocks as housing material. It was a Quadruple hernia with 1 inguinal and 3 stomach wall. the 2 larger ones were over 5 cm each.

I was on the Marshall Protocol and moving along nicely before the surgery. I had returned to work after a short disabilty (I taught high school chemistry) when I had to have the surgery.

Antibiotics and Lyme and my LLMD were discuss with the surgeon pre-surgery. He promised to look into all.

1)The surgeon DID NOT contact my LLMD
2) I was given an antibiotic I refused, when I questioned it they lied and told me in was the generic of the ABX I requested.
3)I have NEVER went back to work.

The moral of the story is this. Surgery for Lyme can be worse then Lyme itself. I worry that your reaction was ABX induced. They always give ABX in a surgery and usually more then WE Lymies can take.

Presurgery I had just finished Phase 2 of the MP.
Today Im back at phase 1 and cant get passed it. My surgery put me in Limbo and I question the condition of my liver and Pancreas now. I'm on permanent disability and really dont see an end to it.

I HATE Lyme - but I hate IGNORANT and ARROGANT MD's More. I see my LLMD next week. The lawyer has already been consulted. He says all I need is a MD to state that misconduct was done and that it caused me harm.

Funny, my LLMD told me presurgery, keep you meds with you "I dont want them to kill you in the hospital".
Its a good thing I did.

Pray for me, its a bad day and suicide is on my mind constantly these last 3 days.

sometime the future looks so dim...

today, spirovictim

marcie said...

Keith,
I am praying for you and hoping you are feeling the good vibes I am sending. I can totally relate to those feelings of despair. I think many of us have had them for one reason or another. All I can say is just to hang in. Hang in another day and things may start to look differently. One day, sometimes one hour, at a time. Don't let yourself think beyond that for now. This is how I get myself through sometimes.

I am sending you a big hug.

luv,
marcie

Alix said...

Keith, I feel for you so much. As one of my LLMDs says - "don't use a long term solution to solve a short term problem." Easy to say, huh? I agree with Marcie, the next day is always so different. It always pays to wait and see what it brings. There will be a way out for each of us.

I can't let this post and comments go off topic to suicide watches. I know there are groups on line who talk Lyme patients off of our cliffs. There is probably another post where we can talk about this topic. If anyone wants to write it, please contact us: spirochicks@gmail.com

marcie said...

Hi guys,
Just checking in with an update. Saw my dr this week and she confirms cortisol patterns are shifting. I am just sort of stuck in the uncomfortable part right now. She agrees we will not do anything further to intervene and sort of wait out the earthing and see where it takes us in terms of adrenals and thyroid. I take thyroid meds, but we still can't get my numbers where they need to be, hopefully earthing will do the trick. Has anyone here experienced being able to lower their thyroid meds? I know for a healthy person it can take 16 wks, so I figure for us it could be much longer.

Also continuing to feel the detox. Am thinking about what Andrew has said and hoping it is metals. I can still feel the liver dumping every night.

Happy Easter to everyone,
marcie

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marcie said...

Andrew,
I really feel as if I have moved deeper into detox too. The only binder I can tolerate is clay,but I am taking a lot. Alginate is great, my doctor really likes it, says it is the only thing besides DMPS/DMSA that can detox in the bloodstream, not just the gut. Unfortunately, my gut can't handle it right now. It's really my weak area.

That is great about your iodine dosing. In another few weeks I'm going to get my thyroid labs done again, I am interested to see if anything has improved.

I am wondering about Abbey too, let us know how it's going.

luv,
marcie

Alix said...

Hi Earthers! To add to the discussion about detox, I just got my heavy metals urine test back and for the first time since doing the combo provoked and unprovoked test, I am actually excreting metals. We provoked with DMSA and my Hg and Pb are off the charts. So, chelation is in my near future. Inability to excrete metals even while taking chelators is what made my Naturopathic MD suspect Lyme in my case ... more than 5 years ago. (This was "Dr. Astute" for anyone who has watched my Lyme recovery video at Natural News TV.)

Second, I upped the ante on my overnight Earthing last night and OMG. I wore the band on my K1, lay on the recovery sack (but didn't venture to get inside), and had the mat with cover on my pillow. Wow. I slept 12.5 hours and have felt really spacey and sleepy all day. I think my body is moving stuff out. I've come to recognize the long Earthing sleeps as manageable detox, while the insomnia nights were either overdone detox or just plain Bb activity. The long sleeps like this are so healing. In the recent past when I've had these, I emerge feeling a ton better when the somnolence finally wears off (or when I've finally caught up to what my body is begging for.)

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Alix said...

Wow, Andrew - who knew it would make that big a difference!? And, how clever of you to get a rod that's the same diameter as the indoor Earthing connections pieces, though I'm having trouble imagining what is between you, the Earthing device, and the rod, since the Earthing devices are "male" at the end... is your rod hollow?

Hey, another note: I've been testing and retesting my connections as I had to temporarily switch bedrooms in my house due to my surgery and, separately, last week I was out of town. I found that one of my connecting wires died with no obvious damage to it, and I found that one of my splitters died, too. I use the "connection tester" to do my checks. Another thing I've noticed is with the Earthing recovery sack I have to make sure the corner with the connection is touching the sheet pretty well or the sheet is not conductive.

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Alix said...

Hi Andrew, so you took apart the outdoor Earthing rod that's attached to the 40 foot cord? Then, you replaced only the metal rod with the longer one you bought? Let me know if I got that right.

Dr. Amalu told me he gets 8-10 foot copper rods and drives those down deep! His entire office and home have dedicated "outlets" that are only for Earthing. He doesn't have wires coming in his windows. For that, we'd need an electrician.

It's interesting that he favors the longer rods and you've so far noticed a big difference too.

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Alix said...

Wow, Andrew, so there is more than one way to increase your Earthing at home. This is very encouraging. Imagine the drilling competitions you've just started... "I hit magma..." "I got to the Earth's core." I wonder what is ideal versus what is realistic in regards to how deep the rod can go?

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Keith Smith (spirotech) said...

Hey Andrew, and all

I know this is still hard for you to believe but Im still earthing using the indoor ground, but until I can build a dedicated ground I've been holding off. My idea is this.

1) Purchase an 8 foot stick of 3/4 inch copper water line. Copper is the second most conductive metal, behind silver and silver might be a bit expensive for the small difference in current flow (sarcasm).

2) This I will drive in the ground which should be easy as we have had about 6 inches of rain in the last week. To this I will silver soldier a copper cap on the end that protrudes from the ground a few inches.

Soldiering is easy and you can buy a cheap soldier iron, flux and soldier for probably less then $20. I'd check youtube for how to soldier vids.

3) Before soldiering the cap I will drill a hole the diameter of the solid core wiring used in House wiring. Buy some housing wire and strip it open. You should find 2 coated wires and one uncoated wire (ground). These wires are solid core not stranded (like speaker wire). This help conductance.

4) Using the coated wire, cut a length that will run from the Copper Tube to the inside wall. Strip the wire at the end, put throught the hole in the cap and solder it to the inside of the cap by bending it over then soldiering it down. This will make a more secure connection.

5) Next Soldier the cap to the rod/tube end. Run the wire to the foundation of the house and drill a small hole through the outside wall. (this wire could be buried easily)

On the outside wall if you locate this on a stud on the inner wall, you can install an electric box and plug as a usual plug in. The only different is that only the ground is connected and its not run through the resistance of the House wiring grid.

You will want to caulk around the hole where the wire goes through and if you have vinyl siding its easily ran under the siding so it wont show

6) Once the wires inside, mount a outlet box and connect the wire to the ground on a regular outlet. put on a face plate.

Now you see why I havent gotten it done yet.

Actually the Flower beds are WAY more important ATM to me. Gardening brings my Joy. And spring is short and it the best time for separating perennials and increasing my flower beds density. Gardening is also good Earthing. Nothing like bare hands in the dirt.

Earth On
themadchemist/spirotech

marcie said...

Really enjoying this conversation everyone. I am off to retest my devices and hoping to try the longer rod too. Do you suppose it would be possible to find a copper rod the correcct size?
marcie

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Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

Marcie and all

Just to explain my ideas on the 3/4 inch copper water pipe. A solid rod is more durable but would be more expensive.
The Copper pipe on the other hand will nearly double the surface area of ground contact, because as you drive it in the ground, soil will be pushed up into the pipe creating a second metal/earth interface.

Copper water pipe is readily available at nearly any home/hardware store at a reasonable price. The cap is also available there, as is the wiring.

A note on solid strand wire versus stranded wire. If you've ever peeled back the wire on a speaker or home appliance you will notice that the are many thin wires. This serves the purpose of allowing the wire to be flexible but reduces the over all conductance. Stranded wire is also VERY prone to corrosion if moisture gets into the plastic coating.
This is why I stated to use solid strand house wiring wire. Since the dedicated ground doesnt need to flex, just as house wiring doesnt, might as well have the extra carrying capacity of the solid core wire.

Sorry just the electrochemist in me showing.

Also, my moto is build it dont buy it and if possible recycle. My grape Harbour is made of old garage door rails. My asparagus bed old tractor tires. My grill is a stainless beer keg. I use tire tread for flower bed edging. I once fixed our washing machine with a piece of hula-hoop.

tmc (spirotech)

Alix said...

Andrew - that is so cool about the brain fog lifting! I've felt that majorly as well. (Well, pre-surgery.)

Keith, fantastic info regarding how to install our own rods outside. I really wouldn't have known how to do this. Andrew's option is super easy, but with not too much more work, what you've described sounds like the bee's knees of Earthing hook ups. :-)

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marcie said...

Andrew, Alix and Keith,
Thank you so much for this discussion. I am hoping to get to home depot soon to purchase a longer rod. I am just one of those that can not get out of the house much. I really appreciated the amazon link, may end up going that route if I need to. Home depot is only a couple of miles away, but somehow seems like going to another state at this point.

I am really excited to hear about your progress Andrew, it keeps me motivated with my earthing as I have kind of stopped seeing any obvious effects. I think just having the longer rod would help have one less thing to worry about as the weather dries out more here (seems like the longer rod would have a better chance of staying wet longer). And Keith, I SO appreciate your depth of knowledge on the subject of electricity and conductivity.

Alix, I am really encouraged about the metal detox too. This is a big issue for me also.

Thanks all,
marcie

marcie said...

Andrew and All,
I just got my new earthing rod today at home depot. It is in the ground and "running". Will keep you guys posted as to any new reactions. I am hoping to continue to go deeper into healing.
luv,
marcie

Abbey S. said...

Hi All,
Sorry I haven't checked in in a while. I am doing really well. I have also been exercising, which I hadn't done much in the past year, and upped my thyroid, so hard to say what's doing what.
Anyhow, my energy is increasing, my brain is working better, my mood is improved. I feel more like myself than I have in 10 years and it is so great. I have become very social; I talk to everybody. Being sick so long had really made me retreat into myself. Also with all of the above, I have lost 15 lbs. I still have a way to go with that. But there are days when I exercise in the morning, and then in the evening I do again, just because I want to, not because I feel like I should, or know it will help me, I just want to. I was already nearing the end of my active treatment, but still felt so far from where I want to be, and wondered if that was all the better I would ever get. Answer - no! I can't believe how much better I am feeling.
Now if only I can get the guy. . .

marcie said...

Abbey,
I am so happy for you that you are feeling so well. Of course I am jealous too! But you give me great hope that one day I can feel well again too.
marcie

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

Abbey, Andrew, Marcie, Alix and everybody else too.

Great to hear the update Abbey. I too am exercising more, because I want too.

I've been grounding like crazy the last few days. Flower bed cleaning time.

I'm up early and decided to post my Tour de France story.

Yesterday, while wheel-barrowing some gravel in order to build a ramp for the water fall, we are building a Koi pond. I stepped backward, right foot slides into 2 feet of water as the other foot does a 180 degree spin. I do a triple back flip landing squarely in the 10 point landing position of my Tush.

At first I thought I'd broken my leg.... but was OK. I decided to go to bed early and wrap the strap over the twisted knee, with the metal over the most painful part. Still hurts but looks like I'll be road ready for day 3 of the Tour'de'Flower beds.

I HATE Bermuda grass!

Marcie, let me know how the rod works. I still haven't upgraded to a rod (I know Andrew) but with the change in Blood sugar meds (its down) and the complete tapering off of all SSRI's over the last month (good-bye pharma-crap), I wanted to see if I noticed a change and too many variables were changing. Overall I'm WAY WAY WAY better then pre-Earthing though and that's with just the strap plugged in the wall.

Alix, on the metal detox. I've not had metals checked but with a mouth full of mercury and working as a chemist (school was built in 1955, probably 100's of Hg thermometers broke and released their Hg into the floor tile), it concerns me. I've found a cheap (?) source of Chlorella Powder (Cracked Wall) 16 Ounces - Price: $28.99, of course you have to pack your own capsules, if you use them that way. Chlorella contains bio-chelated nutrients naturally. What this means is that they come neatly wrapped in amino acids so the body will more readily take them in and Chlorella is great way to help get the Hg out. It was at shamansgarden dot com. They also have whole Reishi Mushrooms for 1 Ounce - Price: $14.99. Something else I've been wanting to try but have found the health food store to be out of my range of $$.

EARTH ON
themadchemist (spirotech)

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

WOW, bet this Blog goes over 200 posts.

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3 days short of 3 month check in
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1) Sleep has really stablized after roughly 3 months. I'm sleeping much less, some nights only 6 hours, but still feeling more rested. I usually sleep a good solid 8 though and on a rainy day can force 10 hours. I'm also noticing much less wakeup in the middle of the night. Pre-Earthing I was awake every 45 minutes.
Andrew, not sure what my cortisol cycle looks like, but like yourself I'll bet its stablized just as shown in the book.

2) The Alkalinity still seems to be holding, which is GREAT as GERD was killing me prior to Earthing. If for NO OTHER REASON to recommend Earthing this is it, for me at least. Sleep was caused by GI problems partially at least.
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Aside:
The excessive yard work is causing a lot of Herxing. With the Marshall Protocol's progression I'm now to the point that a hard workout can really turn the herx on, just due to my own immune response. That's a GOOD painful feeling.

Wish me luck with the flower beds, 4 down and a dozen to go. Plus fencing for the blackberry's and I'm working on building a greenhouse from scraps left from a house remodel (I couldn't throw away those corner 8 foot windows). I prefer exercise that gets stuff made, its good to be able to be doing things again, really a morale booster.

I've decided to have a fight with my body and see who can take the most pain. I think we're losing... which means bugs are dying.. Yipee!
Do others of you get what I'm calling Herx High? Its like when I use to lift weights (back before hernia 2 of 11). If I didn't hurt I figured I'd not Lifted enough. Slowly you learn to live with the Pain and almost enjoy it as you knew it meant success. Neuroborrelis is kinda getting that way with me, especially as I feel the immune system kicking in and doing the work. Lots of Neural stuff too, constant vertigo but without headache or light-sound sensitivity.
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3) I again attribute this to the Earthing Detox Homeostatis. Tammy still rubs out the bubble wrap of crunchy spirocetial condos, which cause an instant cytokine flood (instant 10 degree rise in skin temp)... but my liver is not screaming and gallbladder spewing 45 minutes into the rub as before. These Ain't just sore muscles, the crunchies prove it.

In a nutshell
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1) SLEEP - lovin it
2) Alkalinity - No more FIRE
3) Detox Homeostatis - maybe one day I'll forget were my liver is again. HA!

ALL definite reasons for Lymies to Earth.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

To All,

Well the Tour'de'Flower beds was tough yesterday as the left knee was still a bit aggravated one day after, but I pushed on anyway.

I again slept with the strap on the left leg last night, except this time with it placed on the K-spot of the left foot. Woke with the leg almost pain free and that's after climbing around on my hands and knee's for many hours yesterday. Plus hauling many wheel barrows of dirt and rock.

As an educated guess, in my humble spirotech opinion, did the Earthing decrease heal time.
Absolutely!

It hurt worse yesterday then the previous day, at the end of the day yesterday compared to the previous day.
This morning though it's amazingly better. Don't know if the K-spot placement of the strap made the difference, as the first night I placed the ground on the spot just below the knee.
I makes sense to me that just as where you plug the Earthing device in at the premises... outlet vs. Earthing Rod, that the connection to the body may be just as important.
Of course the Eastern medicines of the world have had maps of our electrical flow matrix for millenia, while western medicine just doesn't seem to want to use all that is already known.

Western medicine prefers to reinvent the wheel and at the moment their experimenting with a square model wheel. It costs a lot more and does little but make things worse as it slowly allows the disease to completely ravage the body.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

I re-read the Gerson Therapy Blog yesterday and I have to agree with the Fluorine comment. Fluorine is the most reactive element in the periodic table. Its location in the top right corner of the periodic table of element, lets us know that it is the most electronegative (electron stealing) element of all. I personally have been drinking filtered or distilled water for over a year and sponge bathing has become a ritual. I still take the occasional shower, like after rolling on the ground outside doing flower beds, but limit my time and water exposure to a minimum.
You see Fluorine is not just the most reactive its also the smallest atom (think skin absorption). A single stage reverse osmosis filter will let it flow right through, no pore size is small enough. Your filtration system must also work on removal of ions, as fluorine is usually in its reduced state of fluoride (F = fluorine, F- = fluoride).

Why the long paragraph on Fluorine, on an Earthing Blog. Because atoms help carry charge (think metal vs glass and electric flow) and may have an effect on Earthing or vice versa.
Earthing may feed electrons to the fluorine and prevent it's oxidative properties. Actually Fluorine will Oxidize Oxygen. Its the Biggest bully, Oxygen is just number 2 and Oxygen is needed in the body for life, where as there is NO use for Fluorine in the body.

One last note. Look up all antidepressants in a PDR or online. You'll find them all to be fluorinated.
Hitler and Stalin knew this as they used sodium fluoride in the concentration camps and gulags to keep the victims calm and non-questioning.

well enough rambling, for now.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

Keith Smith (spirotech) said...

The following (next) 2 posts were posted by me on the 12th. They disappeared on the 13th. I have started to save what I type as this is so common. WHAT IS UP WITH THIS???

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Part 1

To All,

Well the Tour'de'Flower beds was tough yesterday as the left knee was still a bit aggravated one day after, but I pushed on anyway.

I again slept with the strap on the left leg last night, except this time with it placed on the K-spot of the left foot. Woke with the leg almost pain free and that's after climbing around on my hands and knee's for many hours yesterday. Plus hauling many wheel barrows of dirt and rock.

As an educated guess, in my humble spirotech opinion, did the Earthing decrease heal time.
Absolutely!

It hurt worse yesterday then the previous day, at the end of the day yesterday compared to the previous day.
This morning though it's amazingly better. Don't know if the K-spot placement of the strap made the difference, as the first night I placed the ground on the spot just below the knee.
I makes sense to me that just as where you plug the Earthing device in at the premises... outlet vs. Earthing Rod, that the connection to the body may be just as important.
Of course the Eastern medicines of the world have had maps of our electrical flow matrix for millenia, while western medicine just doesn't seem to want to use all that is already known.

Western medicine prefers to reinvent the wheel and at the moment their experimenting with a square model wheel. It costs a lot more and does little but make things worse as it slowly allows the disease to completely ravage the body

Keith Smith (spirotech) said...

Part 2

I re-read the Gerson Therapy Blog yesterday and I have to agree with the Fluorine comment. Fluorine is the most reactive element in the periodic table. Its location in the top right corner of the periodic table of element, lets us know that it is the most electronegative (electron stealing) element of all. I personally have been drinking filtered or distilled water for over a year and sponge bathing has become a ritual. I still take the occasional shower, like after rolling on the ground outside doing flower beds, but limit my time and water exposure to a minimum.
You see Fluorine is not just the most reactive its also the smallest atom (think skin absorption). A single stage reverse osmosis filter will let it flow right through, no pore size is small enough. Your filtration system must also work on removal of ions, as fluorine is usually in its reduced state of fluoride (F = fluorine, F- = fluoride).

Why the long paragraph on Fluorine, on an Earthing Blog. Because atoms help carry charge (think metal vs glass and electric flow) and may have an effect on Earthing or vice versa.
Earthing may feed electrons to the fluorine and prevent it's oxidative properties. Actually Fluorine will Oxidize Oxygen. Its the Biggest bully, Oxygen is just number 2 and Oxygen is needed in the body for life, where as there is NO use for Fluorine in the body.

One last note. Look up all antidepressants in a PDR or online. You'll find them all to be fluorinated.
Hitler and Stalin knew this as they used sodium fluoride in the concentration camps and gulags to keep the victims calm and non-questioning.

well enough rambling, for now.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

Alix said...

Keith & anyone else having trouble posting: I don't know what is going on. I do get multiple post notifications by email but then as Keith says, only one shows up here. Does anyone know if Blogger starts to get buggy after a certain number of comments? At 175, this is the most I've had on any one post. Sometimes character limits are exceeded but there is no error message generated about that. Alternatively, I did read elsewhere that there was a recent commenting issue on Blogger blogs. I'll see if I can find out anything through Blogger.

Keith Smith (spirotech) said...

retry Part 2

thanks for the reply Alix, with the Tour'de'Flower garden I'm herxing so bad I was wondering if I dreamed it. I figure if I'm gonna hurt it might as well be accomplishing sometime it I can.

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I re-read the Gerson Therapy Blog yesterday and I have to agree with the Fluorine comment. Fluorine is the most reactive element in the periodic table. Its location in the top right corner of the periodic table of element, lets us know that it is the most electronegative (electron stealing) element of all. I personally have been drinking filtered or distilled water for over a year and sponge bathing has become a ritual. I still take the occasional shower, like after rolling on the ground outside doing flower beds, but limit my time and water exposure to a minimum.
You see Fluorine is not just the most reactive its also the smallest atom (think skin absorption). A single stage reverse osmosis filter will let it flow right through, no pore size is small enough. Your filtration system must also work on removal of ions, as fluorine is usually in its reduced state of fluoride (F = fluorine, F- = fluoride).

Why the long paragraph on Fluorine, on an Earthing Blog. Because atoms help carry charge (think metal vs glass and electric flow) and may have an effect on Earthing or vice versa.
Earthing may feed electrons to the fluorine and prevent it's oxidative properties. Actually Fluorine will Oxidize Oxygen. Its the Biggest bully, Oxygen is just number 2 and Oxygen is needed in the body for life, where as there is NO use for Fluorine in the body.

One last note. Look up all antidepressants in a PDR or online. You'll find them all to be fluorinated.
Hitler and Stalin knew this as they used sodium fluoride in the concentration camps and gulags to keep the victims calm and non-questioning.

well enough rambling, for now.

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

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Abbey S said...

Well the weight loss for me had gotten totally stagnant, annoyingly. I have not been sleeping enough, so maybe that's it. I have been earthing in the same area (around my middle), and when I switched (underneath me head to toe), I am feeling the effects again. Interesting how the body seems to "get used to" the earthing if you keep doing it in the same area.

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Keith Smith (themadchemist) said...

Hey Everyone,

Its great to see this discussion carrying on. Just a testament to its validity.

A week ago we dropped a 150+ pound rock on my left knee (it landed on the inside of the knee). We (Tam and I) were harvesting rocks from along side the High-way for the waterfall we are building for our backyard pond (we have tadpoles, yea!).
Anyway Tour'de Flower beds is still going on here, so as with the injured Tour'de France biker (minus the earthing bag) I strapped on the Earthing strap immediately after arriving home. The knot was 1/2 a grapefruit size. The bruising and swelling was enormous and after 12 hours of Earthing on the left foot K-point the swelling was decreased by 90%. I'm a week out from the "Crushing" event but Earthing has definitely made a HUGE difference in the heal time. My guess is the blood ionization allowed reduction of clotting and caused the quick reduction of swelling.
and yes, we went for more rocks the next day. I believe that keeping moving also helped. Tam's an OR Tech so we consulted an Ortho MD friend and he didn't see a problem, he just suggested wrapping it, as we did.

To address Abbey's (Hey Ab) idea of Earthing spot movement. After the Rock Crush I have Earthed exclusively on the left leg. Prior, I had found that alternating feet every other night worked better. I think I'm right footin' it tonight.

Andrew, I finally purchased a copper clad 9 foot grounding rod at Menard's for under $11. Corrosion has been a concern on my mind as oxides and carbonates of metals sometimes don't conduct as well. For a million volt lightning bolt a few mil's of corrosion is nothing compared to the distance it jumps to the ground, but for a small trickle as Earthing electron flow occurs it could be huge.
I may drive this baby in the ground and do a daily measurement to see if conductivity reduces. Stainless is great for non-corrosion but impossible to soldier to, I wonder if I could weld the copper wiring to the stainless? Hum?
I'm still wanting a dedicated Earthing outlet in the wall.

Oh, by the way, the Tour'de Flowerbeds is kicking my butt. The neuropathy in my arms and hands is mind-numbing (he-he) been using hot wax, filtered water hot epsom hand soaks and TENS to keep them moving. If you don't have a TENS, check with your MD, my insurance completely covered its cost.
Seems my mind is winning the body/mind battle for now.

and... I still hate bermuda grass!

Earth On
themadchemist (spirotech)

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marcie said...

Hi guys,
Been enjoying the ongoing conversation. Wanted to give you guys an update. Had my thyroid levels checked since earthing and I have gone from a TSH of 10 to .01. This is on the same meds. So, I have gone from being hypothyroid to slighlty hyper. I have been on the GAPS diet, and recovering from cavitation surgery, but feel earthing has been a big player in all of this. My doctor has also had another patient lower her thyroid meds by half from just earthing alone.

Most of the time I do not really notice any effects from sleeping on my sheet anymore, but occassionally I will have a night that my skin just gets really warm all over. It almost feels like a a fever, but just on the skin. I also use a strap on k1 alternating feet each night.

Andrew, I have checked my home depot rod and so far no rust. But, I am a bit concerned since you switched yours. I have tested and things still seem to be very grounded.

Keith, I envy you your gardening. I hope one day to have that kind of energy again. This year I am just hoping to be able to get some veggies in! Thankfully the perennials are pretty established. Glad to hear the earthing is helping you recover from your battle with the rock!

Abbey, I know I tend to move forward a step or two and then back. Perhaps it is not a straight path upwards for any of us. Keep truckin and I believe you will move forward again soon.

Thanks all,
earth on marcie

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marcie said...

Andrew,
Yikes! That is unfortunate.

Hey, glad to hear about your iodine. This is kind of neat for me to actually have some hard numbers showing a change. I have also notice my cortisol patterns shifting back more towards normal. I am still, however, having a small insomnia issue whereby I am waking every night and having trouble going back to sleep. Wish this would correct, but I believe things move slowly for me.

The other day I happened to notice my sheet had not been "plugged in" for a couple of days since I did the wash. I had been using my strap though. So I plugged it in and that night got hit with a major headache that has lasted a couple of days. Wow.

Hope everyone else is doing well.

marcie

Abbey S. said...

I wish I could get my cortisol cycle to normalize! I never want to sleep until 2 am! It's a big issue that I was hoping earthing would help me with, but I have not had any improvement yet.

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Anonymous said...

I know this is an old post but I found it while starting my own Earthing experience. I do not have Lyme (that I know of) but I have talked to my naturpath about it because my cousin was diagnosed with it.
She says the only thing she knows of that can really heal from Lyme is using Ondamed therapy.
You should check it out and see if someone local uses it. I have used it for adrenal support and it works. It also uses energy and frequencies to fight bacteria and infections. She claims it's the only thing she has truely seen that works.
Hope this helps.

Essentials said...

Well, the people who never wear shoes may be onto something

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Olive said...

Maybe that's one of the reasons why gardening is so rejuvenating.